Japa seminar- Part 1 – The process of ‘krsna-aradhana’ is sankirtana”

Dated: 12.09.2012
Venue: Mauritius

So once again, I would like to thank you for good presence, big presence in small country. The big interest…I am sure you have so much interest in the Holy Name. It is one of the offences to keep the phones on (laughter). The 12th offence (laughter) is you have on phone next to you, we will get there. We will, I think this will come up again; but… (To someone in audience) That’s what you said right? Yes, your interest in Japa is very obvious here by the good turnout of devotees. This is Purushottam Month also, only few more, few more days to go; but, somehow, Japa retreat or Japa whatever, workshop or Japa, I don’t know what you, what name you have given, is becoming part of this Purushottam month. It’s becoming event, part of that “very” auspicious month. “Very” favourable for devotional service.

In fact, nothing works in this month, just the devotional service, no Karma Kanda. You don’t get any result of conduct Karma Kanda or Jnana Kanda which is “kevala visera bhanda” (Prema-bhakti candrika) also. In any case, just a pot of poison. According to our siddhanta, our stand, Karma Kanda is just a pot of poison.
So, only thing that works during this month, only thing that is beneficial, infact Radha-Krsna worship for this month is stressed very much which is the topmost thing to do. And the way we worship Radha-Krsna is “yajnaih sankirtana- prayair, yajanti hi su- medhasah” (SB 11.5.32). It requires intelligent person, brainy person to go for worshipping in yajnaih- by performance of sankirtana. So, you must be, you are very intelligent persons because you are always, not only during this month, but you are always worshipping the Lord by performance of Sankirtana. And sankirtana is congregational chanting or congregationally glorifying the Lord, in a broad sense which may not be always limited to chanting of ‘Hare Krsna’ but, there are related activities are also Sankirtana.

How Srila Prabhupada made the connection of the sounds at the construction site, at ‘Hare Krishna Land’, Juhu, Bombay during his days. We were proposing that there is so much noise here. So much “kat kat kat kat” (Guru Maharaj making sound) here, you should be in stationed elsewhere. Well, Prabhupada said, this is “music” for my ears. This is Radha-Rasbihari’s temple being built, so the sounds are not ordinary. This is also music, this is also “sankirtana.” So, only a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada could make connection on those sounds as “sankirtana.” “Yajnaih sankirtana- prayair, yajanti hi su- medhasah”.
So, again then kirtana is, we do kirtana, Sankirtana, kirtana. While, we were just doing little bit of that with the use of Mrdanga and Kartals and, and last night what we had Oh! ..(Guru Maharaj laughing). There is a ISKCON kirtana standard committee. They may not approve of (Laughter) I am a member of that committee (Laughter). I don’t know how to deal with the situation; but… So, that’s, one way sankirtana. Congregational chanting and dancing with Mrdangas and kartals. And some other, maybe, Veena of Narada Muni is there and…
“prema dhala dhala sonara anga, carane nupura baje” (Gitavali, part one, Arunodaya-kirtana, text 2). Mahaprabhu is taking part in sankirtana and He is chanting and dancing prema dhala dhala sonara, His golden form is moving, swaying and He has tinkling, jingling bells around His ankles. So, that’s instrument also, some tinkling bells. He does not have to play that instrument separately with the hands. It is there around His ankles and as He dances, the jingling and tinkling of that bell, that’s instrument also. The bells… and then, and of course, other thing that we do is we take our Japa Mala and do yajnair sankirtana-prayair. We do our, the glorification of the Lord. Lord is glorified to, to our hearts content.

Of course, doing kirtana is the whole hearted and full-throated kirtan, out loud. And then, during japa, we may not be screaming or shouting out loud. Some meditative chanting we do. Or we do “murmuring.” On our beads, we chant japa. So, that’s the other way. Kirtan with group as big as possible and last night was a, quite a, quite group. I got the report there were over 700 devotees last night (Haribol!!!). You don’t know? You missed it? You were there? So, they said 700 devotees. 700 plates of prasadam were distributed. Maybe towards the end some more rushed in. So this Japa seminar, retreat, whatever the name is, this is happening during Caturmasya also. In the middle of caturmasya, there is sandwiched; this month is, two months of Caturmasya and then, Purushottam masa and then two more Caturmasya months to follow. So, it’s right in the middle and right towards the end of this month we are able to do “this” during this Caturmasya or oh no, Caturmasya and Purushottam masa. I just, probably you know, we were doing Kirtana Mela in Germany.

So, that was quite experience and we were in Radhadesh and we were doing kirtanas called “Stay high forever” Stay high forever kirtana. Prabhupada termed, he called this stay high forever. Whether you chant Hare Krsna with the drums, instruments or you chant on your beads, the idea is to stay high forever. Stay high, up there! Srila Prabhupada was referring to this as the drug. He said “I have a drug for you!” And then, those in the mid 60’s, those American boys and girls would jumpe “Oh! Swamiji has a drug for us!” (Laughter, Guru Maharaj laughing). They were into drugs and.., Prabhupada said “my drug is very special.” If you take this, you will stay high forever which is not the case with the other drug. I don’t think you know (laughingly). I only have heard (laughter) that you take the drug and you kind of go high. You begin floating or (laughing) they say you feel lighter and you feel relieved and no anxiety and you feel.., but, when the effect is over, then, what happens? They are low. Then next time, they take, well, a bigger dose, higher dose and then they go higher also. But, when the deep effect is over, they go “lower.” And like that, they increase the dose and then one time, they may go highest and opposite of that is lowest and from there they may never go (laughter) anywhere. They are stuck into that ignorance, the lowest mode of material nature. So, this is mundane thing, mundane world. This is all due to whatever you said, drugs or so-called mundane gratifications. Higher and then, lower, this up and down “dvandva mohena bharata” (BG 7.27).

But, this chanting, this sankirtana, this “japa” is meant to keep us only at high altitude. Elevation! and no degradation. Ya, so, we, we were doing ‘stay high forever’ kirtanas in Radhadesh and we also did Rama Katha in Czech Republic as we were doing Ramayana Katha and then… so, we are here, to do these japa sessions. So, we are today and tomorrow also? You will be coming back tomorrow? (Yes!) Or you are staying overnight or? But, you’ll be back! Ya? We expect you tomorrow or? – Yes! “Kal bhi aaoge ki nahi?” – Haan! (Hindi). Ok! (Guru Maharaj laughing out loud along with audience).

So, I think we have today and tomorrow. So, today we could say first session is already on. We started a little late and this goes up until four o’clock at which time there is prasadam for all. Yes? For one hour you’ll get a break and then, we resume at five o’clock. Than five to seven or something, Ya? So, these are the two slots for today. Two to four and five to seven. Ok! There is something already printed here or no, ok, let’s see what it is. Alright! And then tomorrow.., so, those who can attend Mangala Arati, they.., we have Mangala Arati at 4.30. So, 4.30 to 9.30 which includes, after mangala arati there will be japa session. Those who would be with us, we could chant together Japa. There is the Bhagavatam class followed by breakfast. At “9.30”, breakfast. Ok and then, Japa retreat session. I would call that as number three which is 10.30. Last for two hours- 10.30to 12.30. And then, again break for.., is it lunch break or? No! No! That’s a break, short break and then, then one to.., this is a longer one. One to… what I am looking at here, one to four! Oh, it’s longer sessions. And then, tomorrow is a marathon (laughing). And ya, four to seven it says. Ok, so, no! Four to five. Oh, that’s shorter one. Maybe we should.., 10.30 to 12.30 break and then one to four. Ok. Ok that switched (?) Ok, we’ll end at four. Ok so, I think you “have” this! … Yes. OH! (Guru Maharaj starts laughing). I thought you, you have to take notes. I was just… So, I see you already have a pretty good idea. “Better” idea than I (laughingly). So, this is our first introductory session. And… So, we already said some introductory matters and we could continue. Ya, something Harinama Mahatmya, you may want to call it or the glories of the “Holy Name!” And part of that, I want to do, quickly run through the Siksastaka. You are familiar with Siksastaka. And at, in fact, there is no greater or better glory of the Holy Name chanted in the form of this Siksastaka which has been chanted, these glories have been chanted by none other than the “Supreme.” “Supreme” Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu ki… Jai!

Caitanya Mahaprabhu is glorifying the Holy name. His whole and sole purpose coming down here, in the midst of us, was to share this gift of the Holy Name. Just imagine, the “Supreme Lord.” Supreme Lord comes down to the Earth, why does He come? – “golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama sankirtana” (Srila Narottama dasa Thakura). To hand out the best of the gifts. So, “He!” He came down with the sankirtana. He came down here with this japa, Japa business. He gave us the business so that we could be in business. Japa has been given by Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu and He hasn’t given only, speeches, talks on Kirtana, the mahatmya and… In fact, Mahaprabhu has chanted more and spoken less. Talked less, chanted more.
So, He has spoken these eight verses of Siksastaka, He spoke other times glories of the Holy Name, but then these eight verses are very special. These, they have been attributed to the Lord. The Gita was spoken by Sri Krsna. What did Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu speak? What did He write? He wrote these Eight prayers. Of course, on behalf of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, His Associates were writing so many scriptures, books. But, personally Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu wrote only eight verses and they are known as Siksa astaka. Siksa is instructions and astaka- the eight verses. And the theme of this is the Holy Name. Stress of this is the Holy Name. And not that Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu compiled these eight verses and then published and “Ok”, do the mass distribution of this and He had nothing to do with. He is author, He doesn’t have to read them. But, Mahaprabhu, as we understand again and here is the Caitanya Caritamrta Antya-Lila means last, concluding pastimes. In that Antya-Lila, the very last chapter is the Siksastaka. You better know the location. Where is Siksastaka situated in Caitanya Caritamrta. It is the very last thing like “essence” of Caitanya Caritamrta Antya-Lila, chapter 20 – Siksastaka. And there is nothing more, this is it.

So, this way we could also understand the position, of the Siksastaka. This is something very tough thing. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu passed His nights testing the meaning Siksastaka prayers in the company of Svarupa Damodar Goswami and Ramananda Raya. So, He compiled and then, every night He has His most confidential associates around Him at Gambhira in Jagannath Puri. And He is… In this way, he became absorbed in ecstatic emotions. He relished the taste of reciting. This is another, also mentioned here, transcendental verses.

“ei-mata mahaprabhu vaise nilacale, rajani-divase krsna-virahe vihvale” (CC Antya 20.3). And of course, this, we just talked about the night, but during the day also, rajani? – “divase!” Day and night Lord is in this mood of separation, mentions here and.., So, He is reciting and remembering and getting absorbed in different emotion of these, these verses of Siksastaka. “nana-bhava uthe prabhura harsa, soka, rosa, dainyodvega-arti utkantha santosa” (CC Antya 20.5) – He relished the symptoms of various transcendental emotions, such as jubilation, lamentation, anger, humility, anxiety, grief, eagerness and satisfaction – (Translation). There is the whole waves of emotions of various kinds. “Sei sei bhave nija-sloka padiya, slokera artha asvadaye dui-bandhu lana” (CC Antya 20.6) – He would recite His own verses, expressing their meanings and emotions, and thus enjoy tasting them with these two friends – Translation). Ramananda Raya and Svarupa Damodara. Sometimes, Lord would be absorbed in a particular emotion and would stay awake all night reciting related verses and relishing their taste (20.7).

“sankirtana-yajne kalau krsna-aradhana” (C.C Antya 20.9). Then Mahaprabhu sharing everything He is talking now is only most essential, most confidential. So, one day, one night He said to His two friends – “sankirtana-yajne kalau krsna aradhana, sei ta ‘ sumedha paya krsnera carana” (CC Antya 20.9). “Dear friend, dear friends!” Not mummy (laughter) Dear friends- `That in this age of Kali, aradhana, krsna-aradhana is done by the intelligent people by performance of Sankirtana. So, Mahaprabhu has said this… in His own words, in Bengali words, Bengali language which is nothing but, just the translation of Bhagavatam verse that we had been talking about earlier. “krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam sangopangastra-parsadam yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi su-medhasah” (SB 11.5.32). Not the first part, but, the later half, Mahaprabhu said that in Bengali language to His friends: “You know! The, the process of ‘krsna-aradhana’ is sankirtana.”

“nama-sankirtana haite sarvanartha-nasa” (CC Antya 20.11) and Mahaprabhu continued and Mahaprabhu quoted that verse. That same verse from Bhagavatam that we quote all the time, Mahaprabhu quoted that verse as it is which He had already said that in Bengali , to substantiate his statement he has quoted Bhagavatam verse “yajnaih sankirtana-prayair” and then He says more. “Nama-sankirtna haite sarvanartha-nasa”– By performance of nama sankirtana, the anarthas, all anarthas are destroyed. “Sarva- subhodaya” – all auspiciousness arrives. Krsna-premera ullasa – and there will be the Love of God would be invoked “initiating the flow of waves of love for krsna.” These are Mahaprabhu’s thoughts. Here, Mahaprabhu recites now the, the first of the eight astakas to His, those two friends with Him. So, beginning of this chapter, Mahaprabhu is reciting one of the astakas and then, He makes some comments, few comments Himself. These are His texts, His verse and then, some emotions. Just sampling of that in included here. Not all that, all the waves of emotion arrive. They are not all here.

“ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam
sreyah-kairava-candrika-vitaranam vidya-vadhu-jivanam
anandambudhi-vardhanam prati-padam purnamritasvadanam
sarvatma-snapanam param vijayate sri-krishna-sankirtanam”
(Sri Siksastaka, verse 1).

So, Mahaprabhu says “param vijayate sri-krsna sankirtanam.” All glories! Not only all glories, but “victory” to the sankirtana. You may want to call it movement or just sankirtana and its sankirtana movement, of course. And Mahaprabhu is sankirtanaika-pitarau.

“ajanu-lambita bhujau kanakavadatau sankirtanaika-pitarau kamalayataksau
visvambharau dvija-varau yuga-dharma-palau vande jagat priya-karau karunavatarau”

That is introduction, as soon as you open ’Caitanya Bhagavat’ which is another scripture, you find this as the first verse. Mahaprabhu is glorified as “ajanu-lambita bhujau” and “sankirtanaika pitarau.” The founding father of sankirtana movement and of course, he is not alone. That is why it says sankirtanai ka “pitarau.” Pitarau means two, Ramah- Ramau. You know little Sanskrit, Ramau. Sankirtanaika-“pitarau”, “kamalayataksau” “dvija-varau” Ÿuga-dharma palau.” You see, everywhere “au, au, au.” (Laughter). This means two, two of them. This, Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Nityananda Prabhu are sankirtanaika pitarau- Founding Fathers of the sankirtana movement.

So, “param” vijayate! Mahaprabhu,
“param” vijayate! Victory of the Holy Name. So, that is the eighth, 1/8 (one eighth) part, portion of this first siksastaka. Param vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam. And there are seven, there are seven other components in the siksastaka. First line has two of them- ceto-darpana, “marjanam!” stop there, that’s one. Then, maha-davagni “nirvapaman!” Whenever is a nasal sound, then you stop that’s two. Then, vidya-vadhu – “jivanam.” So, there are seven of these and these are the, you may call the glories or the adjectives- ‘Visheshana’ or in Sanskrit vishesha, visheshana. These are seven visheshana. Seven glories or attributes of the sankirtana movement, Sankirtana! Each one is a special feature, description the quality, “adjective” of that sankirtana.

So, we don’t have such luxury, right now, to go through this step by step. Sometimes, there are seminars given on siksastaka and that takes one week just to go through this, this seven- eight verses. And we have Bhaktivinoda Thakur and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur amongst others, they have written commentaries on siksastakas also. So “anandambudhi-vardhanam”- Always expanding the ananda and ceto darpana marjaman you understand? Darpana- Cleansing. Wherever there is a black spot, cleansing. Mahamantra chanting does the cleansing of the heart, the consciousness. Davagni- “Maha-davagni” we are being “burnt!” samsara-davanala-lidha loka (Sri Sri Gurv-astaka). The first thing that comes out of Hare Krsna devotee’s mouth as he gets up and faces the Deities and in the morning, takes ‘Darsana’- Mangala arati – samsara-dava. This, world is, what kind of world is this? Samsara-davanal this forest fire. Same thing – maha-davagni-nirvapanam. So, that fire of the material existence is extinguished by this sankirtana movement. Tava kathamrtam (Gopi Gita, text 9) Gopis said here Tava kathamrtam, what does your kathamrta do? Tapta-jivanam. The life that is on fire- tapta-jivana- the kathamrta. Here is Namamrta, sankirtana, they are not different.

So, maha-davagni, like that’s all the benefit “sarvatma-snapanam” Sarva, atma snapanam. Snapanam meaning taking bath. So, as one is involved, engaged in “sankirtana”, what happens? His atma takes full bath in that sankirtana, the full Abhishek. The living entity is bathed or swimming, drowning; but, happy. If someone is drowning, OH Help! Help! Help! Drowning, Help! Help! But if you are drowning in this, the sankirtana, then you don’t call for help. You are nicely situated. You are “very” happy to be “drowned” in this ocean.

avatirne gaura-candre vistirne prema-sagare, yena majyanti majyanti te maha anartha sagare” (Prabhodananda Saraswati, Caitanya Candramrta). And this is in Caitanya-candramrta- it says Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared and what did He do? “avatirne gaura-candre vistirne prema-sagare”. He expanded the prema sagara. And it is “here” now, there is sagara all around us, ocean all around us. But, then on the Island, there is the ocean, the sankirtana.

So, avatirne gaura-candre vistirne “prema”-sagare. And Lord appeared and He expanded that ocean of love of God- prema sagara. And then, next it says “yena majyanti-majyanti” – those who do not throw themselves into this prema sagara. ye “na” majyanti. Those who do not drown, do not throw themselves, do not dive deeper into this prema sagara, well for them there is another sagara. This is maha anartha-sagare. Take note of two sagaras, Prema sagara and maha anartha sagara. So, those who do not get into this sankirtana sagara, prema sagara, only other sagara available around, only option is? – maha anartha-sagara. Not only anartha, but maha anartha sagara. So, that is why it takes intelligence to make the choice. Take a pick! Prema sagara or maha anartha sagara. So, intelligent person goes for “yajnaih sankirtana- prayair, yajanti hi su- medhasah”. So like this, Mahaprabhu has, Himself, glorified this sankirtana in this first verse. Or He could, later on go little deeper and try to understand how there are seven different attributes of the sankirtana movement or chanting, right there.
“Sankirtana haite papa-samsara-nasana” (CC Antya 20.13) He says, now He makes little comment. This is Mahaprabhu’s words that sankirtana destroys the papa of, in this world.

‘Citta-suddhi, sarva bhakti-sadhana-udgama’ (CC 20.13)
And then, “cita”-suddhi, Citta-consciousness. Suddhi- the purification takes place. And this is the source of all the “sarve bhakti-sadhana”. Bhakti is life of devotion. This is the means, original means of the life of devotion, “ Krsna-premodgama, premamrta-asvadana, krsna-prapti, sevamrta-samudre majjana” (CC Antya 20.14).

Ya, similar thoughts which we already talked, Krsna- prema -udgama, premamrta-asvadana. This is Hindi, Aap logon ke liye Hindi mein Mahaprabhu bol rahe hein (Guru Maharaj speaking Hindi). It’s very similar. Premamrta-asvadana, krsna-prapti, sevamrta-samudre majjana. And then, as one takes to this sankirtana, then, “seva amrta samudra.”. There was the prema sagara and now it is mentioned He has taken, accepted the sankirtana. Then, he has received seva because as one is chanting “Hare krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hara Hare”, what is he doing? Is he doing something or just saying this mantra? Utterance is there or else, and thoughts are supposed to be accompanying that utterance of the Holy Name. And one thought that Prabhupada always mentioned was thought of, it’s a prayer, begging for service of the Lord. Oh Lord! I am yours Oh ! Lord, please engage me in Your service oh! Lord, Oh! Pleasure, pleasure potency of the Lord, Oh! Radhe, Oh Krsna. So, then, Caitanya Mahaprabhu says seva-amrta samudra. Now he has another samudra, he has another ocean which is also nectarian. Seva-amrta samudra or seva amrta sagara and “majjana.” And devotee immerses, immersing. This is Mahaprabhu’s.., “The result of chanting is that one awakens his love for Krsna and tastes transcendental bliss. Ultimately, one attains the association of Krsna and engages in His devotional service, as if immersing himself in a great ocean of love.” (Translation CC Antya 20.14)

These are Mahaprabhu’s confidential thoughts and words. Then, next verse,

“ namnam akari bahudha nija-sarva-saktis
tatrarpita niyamitah smarane na kalah
etadrisi tava kripa bhagavan mamapi
durdaivam idrisam ihajani nanuragah (Sri Siksastaka, verse 2).

So, Lord has further glorified the Holy Name- “namnam akari bahudha nija sarva-saktis”. How potent is the Holy Name. How potent is the Holy Name? Lord has invested “all” His energies. nija! Take the note of this two little words, but important ones. He has invested energies, whose energies has he invested? Nija – His own energy. And how much energy has he invested. nija, “sarva”-saktis. All His energy he has invested in the Holy Name of the Lord. So, who is more powerful? The Lord or His Holy Name? (Answers from audience- Holy Name! – laughter). I was expecting you would say they are both equally powerful. All energy of the Lord, all that is in Him, all that in the Name. Well, some time, they do sing “Hari se bada Hari ka nama.” – (Hindi expression – Greater than Hari is hari’s name). “Hari se bada hari ka nama.” And they say this, that bada Hari ka nama, this bada hari ka nama- Hari se bada. Certainly not less, bada not chota, never chota, no less.

So, all the energies have been invested in the name and what other concessions are there? There are no hard or fast “rules” it says. “niyamitah smarane na kalah”– That’s another, not only all the energies, all powers, but no hard and fast “rules.” “etadrisi tava kripa” – and this is Your kindness my Lord. Mahaprabhu is also taking stand now, also as He is a chanter, He is a devotee. Now, He is facing the Lord and addressing the Lord- “yes this all You have done!” All Your powers invested in the Holy Name, no hard and fast rules and his is Your kripa, bhagavan mamapi. But, using the word ‘api’ – “but” Ifs and buts. No ifs and buts! But, here Mahaprabhu is coming: “but!” all these as just described, “but!” What is but? “durdaivam!” – It’s very unfortunate situation. What is that misfortune of myself? – na anuragah- I do not have attraction- I don’t have attachment to these Names My Lord! iha jani. iha, iha meaning in these names, iha. ajani means not, not produced, not… ya ajani. They are not there, in me, ‘araga’ is not there. na anuragah in this Holy Name and this is misfortune. Of course ee can’t say Caitanya Mahaprabhu has no anuraga in the Holy Name. Could you say that? Mahaprabhu has no attraction, no attachment, no ruci, is that the case? He is taking the stand on behalf of us. We should be saying this. If the honesty was the best policy (laughter), then, we should be talking like this. “I have no attachment, I have no attraction.” Is that the case? I think many of you would also admit that, think that way. Or, ya some ruci but, not enough. More! I would like to get more ruci, more anuraga. So, that’s when I think or, the Japa retreat session comes into the picture or maybe it’s also kind of response to this.
Ok I have “durdaivam idrisa ihajani na anuragah” That maybe the starting point of the, or what motivated us to come to this Japa retreat. I don’t have enough attachment, attraction. I want to increase my attachment to the chanting of the Holy Names of the Lord. So, then, I think that’s something that is gathering us here, all of us together to look into this and see whether how we could move forward or increase our or what to do. So, what to do? Mahaprabhu has, of course, He has raised this emotion or question and immediately He has presented the answer also to this question in nutshell and what is that?

Trinad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna, amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih” (Sri Siksastaka, verse 3).
Just now there was no anuragah, there was no attraction, no attachment. It’s becoming very hard for, struggling to get some names out of the mouth. Struggling, “struggling” – They are not coming out. Not naturally coming out. No attraction, they force themselves. And then, something happens in between and now what is happening? – “kirtaniyah sada harih”. So, this person is chanting all the time. He is doing kirtana, chanting all the time. So, what happened? Mahaprabhu has said. In Sanskrit he said “trinad api sunicena” – trina means straw in the street and nica means down. And ‘su’- means even more down, more humble. Straw is humble, but then, Mahaprabhu says more humble than the straw in the street (laughingly). As you trample all over these straws, you walk “all” over. Does any straw beats you with another straw? Takes some straw nearby and beats you, or runs after “Hey!” (Laughter), no courtesy! You are just walking all over me! So, not only trinad api, nicena, not nicena, “su” nicena. “su” nicena. That’s why the translation is lower than a straw on the street. Not as same as straw in the street, but more lower than a straw in the street. Anyway, we can’t get into the vyakhya of the, the comments.
And “taror api sahisnuna” and tolerance. The “humility” – this was humility part and then, tolerance part. How much tolerant? ‘taror api sahisnun’- Sehenshil (tolerant in Hindi). How much? More than the trees, trees are all around and they tolerate all the rain of either, Mauritius has all the seasons. I think in one day you get all the six seasons (Guru Maharaj and everybody laughing). You go through six season or this morning there was winter (laughter). Here it is sunny, there was, it also rained. And it was raining on the way (laughter).

So, the, the trees go through all these seasons and then; they just tolerate all this inconvenience caused by seasonal changes. Go through the rain and the wind and Sun and the human beings are cutting and beating the trees, they don’t complain. You may be cutting some branches of the tree and then, if you are tired you could go sit down under the same tree, in the shade of the same tree. Does that tree say “Hey fool!” You are just cutting my branches which are like my arms and now you want to rest! So, the trees are tolerant. So tolerant like the tree and what else has to happen? “Trinad api sunicena taror api shisnuna “amanina mana dena” kirtaniyah sada harih”
Amanina- Not expecting any respect for himself, herself. Not expecting any respect, on the contrary, doing what? amanina ‘manadena.’ Amani is one word and manada another word. So, it gets transformed here. amani, amanina – by giving all, not expecting any respect for oneself. And manadena, manada – the giver of honor. Because ‘mana’, mana is honor, ‘da’ is giver. The giver of honor. Becoming giver of the honor, honoring others to extent of serving others. Not just lip service. So, this is important item. I mean, they are all important items. This trinad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna. But, the straw and the tree is talked about. We may not be dealing with them so much, when it comes to, you know, day to day dealings in, as we lead our lives, then we have to deal with others, devotees all the time and this factor amanina manadena, this has to be practiced, understood. Can do the review of our own performance, our own dealings, introspection and see how we are doing with, our performance with this amanina and manadena. Ya, specially vaisnavas and vaisnava aparadha. That we may talk about later on. Vaisnava aparadha could be disastrous results.

Once we were chanting, but now we are not chanting or we don’t have attraction for chanting! What happened? We may not realize, but lot of time, because we offended vaisnava. We offended some devotee. And now, you got the punishment. What is your punishment? Now you don’t like Holy Name anymore. So, “amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih”. Devotees are very dear to the Lord. All the living entities are very dear to the Lord. But; Lord takes that as an offence. Oh! you know, I just offended this person. But; that is becoming offence of the Holy Name. Sometimes difficult to understand. I offended this person, but how is that Nama aparadha? Well, Lord takes it personally. Ok, you were thinking that you did not offend Me, but you offended My devotee. But, my devotee is very dear to Me. Lord takes it personally. Lord takes it as if “you have offended Me!” My devotee is not different from Me or He is very dear to Me and so, we offend some person, but becomes a nama aparadha, krsna aparadha
“Yei ye magaye, tare deya apana-dhana gharma-vrsti sahe, anera karaye raksana” (CC Antya 20.24). Caitanya Mahaprabhu shared some of His emotions. “The tree delivers its fruits, flowers and whatever else it possesses to anyone and everyone. It tolerates scorching heat and torrents of rain, yet it still gives shelter to others.” And there are more thoughts of Mahaprabhu before we come to the next verse which is

“na dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam va jagad-isa kamaye
mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi” (Sri Siksastaka, verse 4).

Sraddha to prema, you heard of that? From faith, initial faith to the topmost ladder of krsna prema, love of Godhead. The siksastaka is talking that also, what is not step by step, you don’t find it one after the other, but, it is all those sraddha and then what? And sadhu sanga, bhajana kriya, anartha nivrtti and nistha, ruci, asakti, bhava and krsna-prema. So, these verses are dealing with that subject matter. It is a nutshell, it is also talking. Siksastaka is also talking about sambandha jnana, Sambandha, abhidheya and? – prayojana. If you know this, Gaudiyas are into this and this is found everywhere also. This sambandha jnana. And you worship, you are supposed to worship Radha-Madanmohan! Then, “abhidheya!” – relationship. Then, getting settled in devotional service. Radha-Govinda, worship of Radha-Govinda. Go higher for prayojana, the final destination, you worship Radha-Gopinatha and then, and that’s the prema is the prayojana.

So, the siksastaka is talking about sambandha jnana, abhidheya, prayojana is also described in these eight verses. You will also find, the Sadhana Bhakti and Raganuga Bhakti or Vaidi Bhakti, Raganuga Bhakti is also described here. Or vaidi sadhana Bhakti as well as Bhava Bhakti you’ll find here. Prema bhakti thoughts are also here. The first five verses they talk about Sadhana and then, sixth verse there is some bhava and seventh verse also has a bhava and seventh verse also little prema and then eighth verse is just the prema. Those emotions are, they have been integrated in these eight verses. So, here, there is something like anarthas. “Na dhanam, janam na sundarim kavitam va jagad-isa kamaye” In the commentaries by our Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Bhaktisiddhanta, it is also said this is like four purusarthas. This verse is talking of purusarthas. Dharma, artha, kama, moksa! If you take a closer look at this, you will find dharma, artha, kama, moksa. Moksa is – mama janmani janmani, no I am not interested in moksa. That part is there and what about kama? – “na dhanam, na janam, na sundarim kavitam”. So what you interested in? – pancam purusartha! I want just the Lord and His service. So, na dhanam, na janam, na sundarim, na kavitam, kavitam. This is also like a bhukti (enjoying the result on action). No bhukti, no, no, no bhukti. This list is also bhukti list, dhanam, janam. Wealth and the women or men or enjoyment, sake of enjoyment. Sundarim kavitam and all jagad-isa kamaye – the wordly desires.
“ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram patitam mam vishame bhavambudhau
kripaya tava pada-pankajasthita-dhuli-sadrisam vicintaya (Sri Siksastaka, verse 5).

Now, this is part of sambandha jnana or some helplessness calling out, Help- Help. And why should You help me? Oh! ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram, Ayi means Oh, ayi means Oh! nanda-tanuja – Oh son of Nanda Maharaj, ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram…mam. Who am I? I am kinkara – servant. What kind of servant? Who is always eager to render service and he is when inquiring kim karomi, kim karomi, kim, kim ,kim kim, kim , kim karomi. This is what could I do? Please tell me what I could do, please tell me what could I do- Kim. So, he becomes kinkara. Because he is always very eager to serve. If it is lady, it becomes kinkari. Kinkara and kinkari. So, kimkaromi? What could I do? He is always eager- That’s kinkara.

“Ayi nanda-tanujakinkaram…mam vishame bhavambudhau” But unfortunately, now I am fallen in this ocean of maha anartha sagara or of this turbulent ocean of material existence. So, my dear Lord, kripaya tava pada-pankajasthita-dhulisadrisam vicintaya. I’m just being tossed from here to there. These waves are just throwing me all over. I need shelter! I need some fixed position, something that I could hold onto. Everything that I had come across thus far were just mobile and moving and in transit or thinking that this is something I’ll become fixed; but that itself was, had no shelter but, I want to, now, want to catch hold of Your Lotus Feet. So, make me just a dust particle of Your Lotus Feet. As we chant Hare Krsna, whenever do japa, these thoughts are also desirable. One should be thinking, it’s not a thoughtless or mindless chanting. While chanting, these thoughts, the sampling of the thought is here. Oh, ayi nanda-tanuja kinkaram patitam mam vishame bhavambudhau, kripaya tavapada-pankajasthita-dhulisadrisam vicintaya.

You don’t have to make me anyone important. You don’t have to make me crown on Your head or some pearl , garland around your neck. Just a dust particle of course he’s taking a very much humble position and here is, I like this, I mean, Mahaprabhu is talking to Ramananda Raya and (prabhoda ane). Who is that? Svarupa Damodara and He is saying “tomara nitya dasa mui, toma pasariya”(CC Antya 20.33). Lord said that, ok I’m kinkara, I am your servant. So, you know every servant gets a salary. Right? ‘Vetan’ -Lord said vetan. At the end of the week, end of the month he gets his cheque. So, I am your servant, I should also get some vetan, I should also get some wages. Then Mahaprabhu said that give Me prema. Pay me in the form of prema. Let the prema, love, your love, your krsna-prema, let that be my salary. I’m your servant, I don’t want those Mauritian rupees or European Euros or American Dollars or this, that. Just give me some prema. Just give me prema. Let that be my payment. Mahaprabhu has said this.

“nayanam galad-asru-dharaya vadanam gadgada-ruddhaya gira
pulakair nicitam vapuh kada tava-nama-grahane bhavishyati
(Sri Siksastaka, verse 6)

So, now these are the higher realms, emotions- the bhava. The bhava is expressed here, Bhava bhakti. So, Mahaprabhu is asking “when would that day come?” As I chant and I chant and I chant. “Nayanam galad-asru-dharaya”- There will be asru dhara. Like a torrents of rain gliding down my cheeks. Nayanam…asru dharaya vadanam gadgada-ruddhaya gira. And when would my voice be chocked up and puakair nicitam vapuh – when would my body begin trembling, oh Lord, kada tava-nama-grahane bhavisyati. Bhavisyati- when would that time come as I chant the Holy Name of the Lord. These transformations would be there which would be expressions of My bhava- My emotions.
“ Prema-dhana vina vyartha daridra jivana” (CC Antya 20.37)- Lord said without prema dhana, the life is just daridra. Just being a pauper like a bankrupt, no prema dhana- “amito kangal krsna krsna boli” (Ohe Vaisnava Thakur, Saranagati, verse 4). Narottama Dasa Thakur also had expressed that notion or emotion. Amito kangal – I am just pauper, I’m just a penniless, “krsna krsna boli dhai tava pache pache” – I am just running after You, oh sadhu, oh vaisnava.

“Krsna se tomara, krsna dite paro tomara sakati ache” (Ohe Vaisnava Thakura, saranagati, verse 4, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur).

And I know you have Krsna which is all the wealth. I am pauper, I am bankrupt, I am penniless and you have that Krsna and that is real wealth. So, that’s why I am running after you hoping that you would give Krsna to me also, share that Krsna or you will give me “Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare”. Now, realizing that this is wealth, this Holy Name is a wealth and this is non different from the Lord, this is something we need to realize more and more in order to embrace this chanting and stick to our Japa. We are acquiring wealth because chanting is wealth, dhana. And Lord said “prema dhana vina vyartha daridra jivana”.

“yugayitam nimeshena cakshusha pravrishayitam
sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me”
(Sri Siksastaka, verse 7).

So, now this is Bhava Bhakti level, one begins feeling separation from the Lord. As one gets closer then, if he’s more, cannot tolerate the separation, even moment’s separation. Because we have been separated for long, long time and nothing happened to us, we’re fine, we don’t need, we don’t need Him. We are not missing the Lord, nothing. But, Bhaktivinoda Thakur says ..

“nama bina kichu nahiko aro, cauda-bhuvana-majhe” (Aronodaya-kirtana, Gitavali, verse 8)

My dear soul , you’re a fool? There is nothing better to be had than the Holy Name of the Lord! That’s the best thing, there is nothing else! So, the living entities, abandoning that Lord and His Name, goes for everything else, and then, as observed, they miss that Lord. But, as one takes to the process, finally takes to the process of Krishna consciousness and chanting and as one gets closer and closer and closer, then, he begins missing his Lord more and more. Although he is closer, he is missing Him more and more. One time he was at a greater distance, he did not miss Him at all. He did not even remember Him. But, now it becomes intolerable. “Sunyayitam jagat sarvam”- This whole world is vacant. In the words of Srila Prabhupada, that one (1) is important, otherwise one zero, you add another zero. If there is no one (1), then what’s the value of one zero or so many zeroes? All those many zeroes is equal to one “big” zero. And what is the shape of the world? It’s also round like a zero. Whole universe is like a big zero and that’s what Bhaktivinoda Thakur is sharing there. “ nam bina kichu nahiko aro, cauda-bhuvana”- All the fourteen planetary system, without the Holy Name, they are just nothing. Which is zero there is nothing inside, of any value- sunyayitam. And then, when you are that close, then you’re getting there, you’re getting there and then, you get there. And that is Prayojana now expressed by Mahaprabhu in His own words. What is it?

“asliahya va pada-ratam pinasthu mam adarsanan marma-hatam-hatamkarotu va
yatha tathava vidadhatu lampato mat-prana-nathas tu sa eva naparah (Sri Siksastaka, verse 8)

So, this is culmination, you know when, first of all we hav been saying this as a comment on this verse that when Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu uttered this verses, He is no more Krsna, but He has taken the mood of Radharani. So, this eighth verse is Radharani speaking. But, that Radharani is here Gauranga Mahaprabhu. He has appeared, there is a confidential reason why Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared. He wants to experience emotions of Radha. Or feeling or love for Radha or He want to understand Radha. And here, as he says this statement, this eighth Siksastaka this is it. He is Radha, Sri Krsna Caitanya Radha-Krsna nahe anya.

So, this is Radharan’s part, Radha speaking. Although sounds like some devotee speaking as we were going through the Siksastaka. Or Lord is playing ok, Lord is playing a role of a devotee and speaking. But, here which devotee is speaking this astaka? This is Radharani devotee, She is a Bhaktin. Bhaktin Radharani, Bhakta or Bhaktin Radharani speaking. There is nothing higher than this. So, “aslishya va paa-ratam pinasthu mam”- You may do anything and everything. Yes! You like, you are free to do. Aslishya means You may embrace Me, Aslishya va meaning ‘aur’ aslishyava pada-ratam pinasthu mam. You may crush Me under your feet till I become a powder. I become like a non-existent – pinasthu mam. Aslishya va, one thing – You may embrace Me or pada-ratam pinasthu mam. Yatha tatha va vidadhatulampato – or You may do yatha, tatha – this way, that way. You are lampata. This is You, I know You. You are wicked, You are this, You are that. You are lampata. But, regardless of any way You deal with me, one thing for sure is “prana-nathas tu sa eva naparah”- There is no other natha for me other than “You” as My natha. You are prana-natha, You are free to deal with me any way You like. You embrace Me, You kick Me, crush Me under Your Feet for You are My prana-natha. Let Krsna tightly embrace this maid servant who has fallen at Your Lotus feet or let Him trample me or break my heart by never being visible to me. He is a debauchee after all and can do whatever he likes. But, He is still no one other than worshipable Lord of My heart. Ok, so, I think on that note we’ll take a break now (laughter).




Mera Bharat Mahan

Venue: ISKCON Noida
Dated: 3rd Jan 2015

“Om namo bhagvate vasudevaya”

There’s always something to keep us busy, so I am happy to have you here this evening, we are here at Govinda dham. You are very important persons because you are God’s people, God’s devotees, God’s parts and parcels and God’s servants. God is great so you being servant of great God is a very big position. You know I work for Birla’s, just because I work for Birla’s are big so, I am somebody in Birla so I am also very big, very important. Like that people just because you work for Birla’s or Ambani’s whatever other firms are there or companies. If that makes those people big then if you are God’s servant you work for God, at least you have come here, you are God’s people whether you are serving now or not, would like you to serve God because you are His servants.

Anyway regardless even if you have not taken up serious service unto God of course He has name, what is His name? Krishna, yes one big name, principle name otherwise He has thousands of names Vishnu, Sahastranaam so many big names. So being people or devotees, servants, associates of God, that is very very big position, infact there could be no better bigger position than being servant of God or servant of even some of His devotees, some of the devotees of Lord are friends of God, God’s friend, He’s my friend, Modi he was my friend we were working in hotel together or selling chaai together something like this people like remembering 20 30 40 years ago.

As soon as someone becomes big then people small people try to identify, he’s my friend and I know him. We went to the school, room-mates they like to make their connections, thus having connection with big people that makes you big. Devotees you could also be friend of ‘suhrdam sarva-bhutanam’ (Bg. 5.29) they are best friends suhrdam. We are different souls, we have different relationships with the Lord.

Basically we say we are servants of Lord but some servants are friends, God’s friend. Some servants or souls are even parents of God. Lord gives them that position or that post and He becomes the child or son of God. We don’t know as of yet who we are whether we are servants or friends or parents of God but certainly we are God’s, we belong to God. Yes? Is that ok with you? You accept this? Whether you accept or not, this is a fact, you are property of God, you belong to God. So that makes you VIP’s, you are all VIP’s very important or VVIP’s.

So we are happy once again very important souls, so many souls have assembled here, we feel happy to meet other souls and more the souls better it is, so many souls coming together. So when we come to the temple we come and we are souls everywhere even in the factories or industries or government office you are souls but no one remembers you as souls no one treats you as souls, you are treated as bodies, this is my ID, this is how I look like and all thoughts are mundane thoughts and mundane material jobs and like that. So but here as you come, we see you as souls each one of you is one individual soul spark.

So when one soul meets another soul on the soul platform spiritual platform they become happy. Are you happy? someone in the back. So we still have that presentation? anyway we will go through this and then we will talk little more. I am not quite familiar with but it is going to appear on the screen but I liked the topic its ‘Mera Bharat Mahan‘ at the back of lorries they write “Mera Bharat Mahan” my India is great, India is great, Incredible India.

So, is India great? How is it great? Why is it great? What do you mean by great and like that we will, that’s the approach. So there’s something to look at, something to give you, something colorful give your eyes and mind busy or focused then something to hear also. What I have to do? I am very new to this technology. I am using this just to open a topic, some other prabhu has prepared this kind of search for Bharat. So one time India was this size the presenter of this slide he thinks India was but infact one time the whole planet was Bharat-varsha not just what you see. At present it has been further reduced smaller shrunk so many countries are part of this map, geographical map are not part of Bharat India. But going into the past distant past, Hastinapur was capital of Bharat, “Maha…….Bharat” is greater India. Hastinapur used to be the capital of Bharat-varsha and this is some 5000 years ago and there was that Mahabharat big battle and that was world war because the kings from all over the planet were part of that war.

So, that’s Mahabharat means history of great India 5000 years and this is very, Bharat is a land for millions trillions of years, this is a different calculation that world is not aware of. We’ll not talk about that now, so Bharat thinks like that these are, the one understanding the time factor Bharat is way ahead of the rest of the world. You are taught the Darwin’s theory of evolution, so according to them its a different approach which is a incomplete and concocted and we say mental speculation and lot of imagination but what we understand from the history from Mahabharat scripture or many other scriptures, Ramayan is also history, it is a historical fact depends, ek tha raja aur ek thi…raja tha Ram aur rani Sita rani kahani history are narrated like that.

So Ram was on the planet about a million years ago not million but little less, million is 10 lakhs, 10 lakhs makes it million years. Because Ram was on the planet during Treta yuga we are now in kaliyug and kaliyug lasts for 4 lakhs and 32,000 years is a duration of kaliyug and twice as long duration is dwapar and three times is treta and four times is satya yug and then these four yugas put together makes one Mahayugaa and one such 1000 yuga cycles makes one day of Brahma only one day, not even day and night just the day and then night is also that long. You multiply that by 7 that makes one week of Brahma, multiply that by 4 that makes one month of Brahma and multiply that by 12 that is one year and he lives 100 years and this 100 years life span of Brahma is but just one breath of Lord Krishna Mahavishnu, He’s called Mahavishnu, one breath.

So this is a different calculation, we are talking about rest of the world, the Modern world is not aware so we talk Bharat these are the thoughts or idealogies or philosophies lifestyle. Everything is big and grand and old but old is gold. So, going by these calculations I was in Los Angeles in California, Los Angeles some years ago and they were celebrating bicentennial, 200th anniversary of California or I think Los Angeles may be city Los Angeles was founded 200 years ago, they were having big celebration and I had met one of those enthusiastic celebrator or one who was celebrating and then he was saying, “I know, I know, our Los Angeles is very old”. But he was saying Los Angeles is very old, he was thinking by stretching it oo….old, that would make it older. So I asked how old is it? Its 200 years old. So for them 200 years was very old and here we talk of Sri Ram was on the planet 10 lakh saal pehle Ayodhya town, that’s Los Angeles city and this is Ayodhya city. A million year but a million is also nothing just a drop in the ocean when you talk of the whole life span infact Time is eternal, kaal is eternal.

So, when you consider all this, when you know lot of things, then this amoeba business has now placed in with the facts presented by Mahabharat or Bhagvat Gita or other scriptures, the sages and sages they never tell lies, rushis, munis mahatmas they never do any cheating gambling, its called gambling, mental speculation, I think according to me…this is gambling, so they speak the truth and nothing but the truth. So Bharat, search for bharat, so they have shown previous one; this shows kab kab bata Bharat someone has done some studies and all these different countries one time according to this presenter he thinks Bharat is only this much big but we already said its much bigger picture. “Who is great me or Mahatma Gandhi?”, Prabhupada is saying this. Mera Bharat Mahan, Prabhupada is in London, why have you come here? So one time as topic has come here why have we come, so Prabhupada was talking to the reporters news media press, they ask this question why have you come here to our country, Prabhupada’s response was, it’s not here, but what I had gathered what his reponce was, “You came to our country.” You came, now I have come but then Prabhupada also said that you came and whatever was valuable you thought or your leaders, viceroys were thinking this is valuable that is valuable you are all stealing and bringing that over to England but in that attempt your leaders, those who were ruling India that time they forgot the most valuable items of the real wealth of the country they left behind. And when Prabhupada was asked, “Oh! what is that the most valuable that you are talking about our viceroys did not take note of that, they left behind”, Prabhupada then said, “the culture, culture sanskriti of Bharat”, that is the wealth of Bharat or teachings of the vedas or puranas, Bhagvat Gita this is the wealth of this country, most ancient thought are there in the vedic scriptures and in the past as it is Indian youth they migrate they go overseas for overseas education, they also take loan and by hook or crook they want to go to Australia, to America for overseas education. I am foreign return, I have a degree from here there to get a better job or whatever.

So these are the modern trends, Indians are going overseas for so-called higher education but there was a time the whole world came to India to study and that was certainly higher education, spiritual education, studying vedic texts in universities like Takshashila, Nalanda these are some big big names and many other. So, students scholars they would come and then they would go back, yes I am Bharat return, India return, look at my degree. Even Jesus Christ was, He was in India He had come to learn, that’s what biography of Jesus proves.

So Prabhupada was pointing out the knowledge, this is the intellectual property, these days they call intellectual property. Usually we think the buildings and this and bank balance this is property but there’s something called intellectual property. So, the intellect or intelligence or intelligent desings, intelligent ideas or thoughts, deeper thoughts, eternal truth all this was the wealth, so Prabhupada says this is the wealth of our country and certainly we are talking just the plain truth, its straight forward, the Holy Name Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, this is the wealth of golokera prama dhan Harinam Sankirtan is a golokera prema dhan spiritual wealth, real wealth that could make the soul happy. Why do you need wealth for? To become happy you need wealth, you make money to become happy but then the Holy Name in fact could make you happy.

So money could make your body happy, money could make your senses happy, money could make…like that wearing this kind of cloth, mera joota hai japan ka meri patloon englisthan ki, around the world in dollars, you don’t know this song? So anything important in the decoration of the body or this is for the body to make some pleasure some entertainment. So people acquire wealth, make money to satisfy the body and the mind and the senses and in this attempt the real You real YOU is ignored, forgotten which is the soul that we have been talking about in the very beginning. You are the soul when you come to the temple we see you as souls you as atma, Lord is parmatma He is Bhagwan and we are the souls.

So all this, run around, make money and then not taking care of yourself, parents say friends say take care, take care of yourself, take care but unless you know the self, your real self how are you going to take care of yourself? So we do not spend our wealth unfortunately in taking care of our real self. Something deep within is what we are, deep within, we are not floating at surface, we are within this body deep that is the soul. So I was telling Prabhupada’s point, this is the wealth Hare Krishna Hare Krishna is also wealth amongst all other valuable gifts of India. This makes you happy, your soul is made happy by chanting the Holy Names of the Lord. Prabhupada made his claim when he went to America, he was teaching, propagating, spreading the Holy Name and so many Americans they had started chanting Hare Krishna, they were not happy before, in America they were not happy and don’t think just being American you could be happy.
No, this is not true.

So, they were frustrated and they were looking for some alternatives, all the wealth their pleasures were at the disposals but still not happy. But then Prabhupada gave them this mantra, Hare Krishna Mantra and they started chanting, even some of those frustrated young boys and girls of America they became happy, so Prabhupada used to say they were hippies and they became happies. They were hippies and now they are happies. So Prabhupada demonstrated all that wealth of America, land of opportunity. So everything was at their disposal even name and all that was there still not happy. What is wrong? The ignorance you do not know who you are and don’t know how to take care, why have you come here is the topic, so Prabhupada was saying I have come because your leaders they did not realise what is real wealth of the India Bharat and they left it behind so I have come, you are asking me why I have come, I have come to do the home delivery of that wealth and to do so, to deliver the gifts of Bharat, the wealth of Bharat, he traveled all over the world and what he started began some 50 years ago ISKCON was founded in 1966, so in one year Iskcon will be celebrating golden jubilee celebration of ISKCON (Haribol!) 2016 next year please be with us, lets celebrate this together 50th anniversary of Iskcon. So for past 50 years, what Prabhupada started sharing and delivering this, the gifts of Bharat, ancient India prachin Bharat. Present day Bharat is not much of Bharat, lot of things are same as west and be Indian- buy Indian, where are Indian we don’t see so much of Indian clothing here. So, west this was there understanding, misunderstanding I would say, their wrong perception thinking India as a poor country.

When first time I traveled to America was in 78, first time I traveled to America. So, and then, so those days when they would ask where have you come from?, a common question, so we would say I have come from India, Oh! that India that beggar’s country, poor country. So this was the impression. It was also because that whenever our leaders or Indians went, they went to get something, take something, beg for something. So that also gave wrong impression, they must be poor people, they are always coming with a begging bowl.

Srila Prabhupada was one he was convinced that India is the richest nation, Bharat is the richest, enriched in culture and knowledged in so many ways. So India could contribute that wealth, share with rest of the world. So this is what he did, he shared the most valuable gifts of India with rest of the world, he exported ways to call him, he was a exporter and importer also. Exported the most valuable export quality goods or items, like Bhagvat Gita is export quality and Hare Krishna is certain export quality, the lifestyle and culture is export, he exported there and then he imported American sadhus, European Brahmin, he traveled back to India with American, European, Australian Brahmins with sikhas and kanthi malas and Brahmin threads and tridands and chanting of Hare Krishna Hare Krishna.

So, Bharat is not some tract of land with man-made geographical boundaries which is decided and divided by some demoniac sense gratifiers in order to satisfy their personal desires or name fame profit adoration or politics. Bharat is a principle, devotee who has prepared this, Bharat is a principle, it is a way of life, it is a philosophy and its living application, it is a land of dharma, land of God, land of devotion and like that. So, Bharat, just by name Bharat, ‘bha’ refers to the light surya gives light so surya is also called bhaskar, ‘kar’ means to do, he does the light, he gives the light so he is called bhaskar.

So, Bharat is that land where people are absorbed in; Bharat break it into bha and rat, bha means light rat means absorbed, people of this land are absorbed in light, torch light of knowledge, they are not in darkness. Tamaso ma, vedas say “tamaso ma jyotir gamaya” get out of this ignorance, go to the light, come to the light, so those who come to the light then they become delighted in the light, then they become, then they are Bharat vasis.

So, it is not just because you have taken birth in Bharat doesn’t make you Bharatiya in true sense. Talking of Bharat is a principle, its a way of life, philosophy and all that. One may be living within the geographical boundary of Bharat may not be an Indian but one may be living outside the geographical boundary of India but may be a real Bharat-vasi if he is strictly practicing, so here’s one real Bharat-vasi amongst us who was not born in Bharat (Haribol) Srila Prabhupada’s direct disciple (Haribol) Prabhupada initiated and then imported him to India, he is not born Indian but by his life style and philosophy and principles which he follows, the values he cares and foreign practices he is genuine Bharat-vasi, Bharatiya than so many so-called Indians, they are called, they are so-called but they are not really Bharat-vasis they are called, so-called, they are so-called. Mera Bharat Mahan, Gopal Krishna but he eats beef, his name is Gopal Krishna but he eats beef so what kind of Bharatiya he is. In Ahmedabad, once I met, we had gone to some business man to make him a life member so we went, he said I am a Brahmin we were happy to hear he was a Brahmin but then he said I eat beef, he did not say he eats, he said I relish beef. You know what beef is? You don’t have to know, somehow it has become popular. He said I relish and I take great pleasure in eating, he was so shameless.

On one hand, I am a Brahmin, I relish beef. So, would you call him Bharatiya? Is that Bharatiya? Like that, some people I am chaturvedi, chaturvedi means I am student of four vedas. So, in the past their family they were students of the four vedas, adhyayan adhyapan learning and teaching but now they are only so-called chaturvedis, only so-called because what to speak of studying and knowing four vedas, probably they don’t know even know the names of four vedas. Please say what are the four vedas? (Rig veda, sam veda, atharva veda, yajur veda) Ok good, so you are chaturvedis (laughter). So names only, chaturvedis, trivedis and dwivedis, dwi means two, two vedis three vedis, infact now they are nirvedis (laughter) no vedas.

So this is unfortunate situation in our country today. Just because I am born Hindu, I am a Hindu, same also with Christianity, because I am born in Christian family, I think I am Christian, born in Muslim family Muslim but they do not practice that’s the trouble. We say no difficulty, you ok? If you are Christian, practice Christianity, the Bible will immediately tell you the ten commandments, ten principles, thou shall not kill, thou shall not kill. Prabhupada always said talking to Christians, what kind of Christian are you? You don’t follow, someone was Christian he joined the Krishna Conscious movement then he came to India and he was asked by some Indian or some Hindu, Oh! why have you, why did you get converted and have become Hindu, that devotee said, no, no, I am a better Christian now, I am a better Christian, I was born Christian not practicing but as I have joined Krishna Consciousness Movement, I am better Christian. This is the fact, following all the principles, thou shall not kill, love thy Lord with all thy heart, with all thy strength is another Biblic statement, love thy neighbor as thy self and so many principles we had heard and read before but not practiced now I am practicing I am better Christian. So, what kind of Indian so called Brahmin relishing beef and then whole India now has become major exporter of beef also, big boat loads of beef or meat is exported everyday to the middle east and so many other countries of India by slaughtering animals unfortunately cows also.

So, where is the spirit of Bharat? Values, the principles? Some years ago in the Parliament there was a Indian Parliament this issue of animal killing and slaughtering was being discussed and there was some reporting that the Indian slaughter houses, machinery to cut the throats of animals, the blades they are not sharp, they are blunt, as a result it takes longer time to cut the throats of animals, so what to do was being discussed, what to do. So what they could have passed resolution ok no more killing, no more slaughter of animals in India, they could have passed resolution animals are suffering while they are slaughtered, instead the whole Parliament discussed and they concluded that we should modernize our slaughter houses, modernize we should import from Ireland some countries they are leading Chicago, children in the school were taught; sansar ka sabse bada katal khana kaha hai? Chicago, we had to do the matching, the names of cities and what are they known for, sansar ka sabse sundar shehar- Paris and like that sabse bada katal khana- Chicago and this and that.

So Chicago was biggest slaughtering at least this was 50 years ago when we were in school. So the members of the Parliament, lets import from this country that country, lets modernize our slaughter houses so that when animals are slaughtered, will pain less, animals will not suffer. In favor of this proposal, majority of them voted in favour of this proposal, that’s not Bharat. How kind were the leaders of this nation? The members of the Parliament were very kind to import some modern machinery so that while killing animals would suffer less so that’s very kind of them, they were very kind. So where is the Mahan Bharat? Searching for that Bharat, that spirit, Bharat, this is not tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, this is going back remain absorbed in darkness, stay ignorant.

So, ok who cares name may be this or that but so called Bharatiya his name is gopal krishna but eats beef, so there are some ‘mahatmanas tu mam partha’ (Bg 9.13) what makes great Indian great soul means mahatma because taking shelter of “daivim prakrtim bhajanty ananya-manaso” with unflinching faith he is worshipping and knows also “bhutadim avyayam” the Lord is source of all the, what is mahan? to take shelter of mahan Lord is mahan, I think we started there. So to be connected, be associated, be part of that mahan be servant of that mahan, friend of that mahan. So India is also mahan, Bharat mahan, Mahabharat, beacause of God centered, Krishna centred India. God centred, God’s thoughts, high thinking, simple living and high thinking and there’s more but I think we should stop somewhere here.

Mera Bharat mahan is a big topic, we are just taking some angles or some limited approach because time is limited and life is short, also miles to go before we sleep the woods are lovely dark and deep one western poet had to say, we have so much to do long way to go. So, mera Bharat mahan, Lord appears, Krishna Ram so many incarnations here in this part of the world, hum us desh ke vasi hai jaha Ganga behti hai Jamuna bhi behti hai and all the vedic texts the sages rishis, munis they did their experiments within their hearts and they have come to so many conclusions, they were scientists rishi munis were scientists.

So we should understand the Bharat, India and their talking to improve the Indian tourism and the visa on arrival, we already manage to go 22,000 visas they granted the westerners and they want, prime minister also talking that the westerners should be exposed to Indian culture and India’s ancient places like Varanasi, Mathura, there are 100’s and 1000’s of places here, they take way back into history, thousands of years they think 200 year old Los Angeles is very old, then they could visit so many places, hundreds and thousands of years old.

So, the attempt is being made so that westerners could also realize the value, the wealth of this great nation and this wealth its not Indians’ wealth, this is God’s, this is God in fact Krishna. Because of Him, Bharat mahan, when you take God consciousness Krishna consciousness out of India, so nothing that makes it, the rest is the waste. Even in India, India becomes like a waste, wastage, wasting life, wasting human form of life, the gratification, industrial civilization. So much science here Bhagvat Gita is a science and the great sages, munis they were scientists. There is also so much astronomy, astrology and all this are there part of vedic education and Lord Krishna went to school, Sandipani munis, he was learning, so many herbs ans sciences, that’s the science, science of self realization, that’s original science, science of soul, science of self. Ok I think we will stop here and if you have any thoughts, discussion points we could…

Question – Its shown on television about astrology, is astrology a science should we trust it?
Answer – I don’t know what exactly they show on the television, I never watch so I don’t but astrology is a scientific, even the sun eclipse the moon eclipse that is also part of the predictions, astrological calculations and there’s also bhavishya puran talks of the future of the world. The astrology science it exists but whether the present day astrologers are competent to understand the whole science and whether their predictions could be true or not true that could be a question. There’s nothing wrong with astrology science as such but the astrologers may not be qualified, competent or realised, so their predictions may or may not come true but there’s nothing that doesn’t make this astrology as science nothing wrong with that. Next year in December there will be winter and very cold this is my prediction, this is also part of the astrology because somethings are, there are cycles and they are repeated like that once in year or once in every age ‘harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha’ (CC Adi 7.76).

So this is everytime there is a age of kali, chanting is the way. Sukhdev Goswami, he was much more than astrologer, personality like Narada Muni, they know past and because they know past, they could also know the future, future depends on the past. So Sukhdev Goswami said ‘kaler dosa-nidhe rajann’ (SB 12.3.51) ok Parikshit, now the age of kali is about to begin ‘kirtanad eva krsnasya mukta-sangah param vrajet’ just by chanting Krishna’s name, one could become free from the bondage. Because he knows age of kali, the symptoms of agle of kali everytime the age of kali, same symptoms making things complicated and everytime this age of kali’s solution is chanting Hare Krishna. So Sukhdev Goswami becomes astrologer because he knows these are the symptoms of, before it was predicted, at the beginning of age of kali, he predicted, everything that was predicted has come true. He also spoke about Lord Buddha, appearance of Lord Budhha was talked about 5000 years ago when Sukhdev Goswami spoke he talked about the appearance of Budhha. So after he talked some 5000 years ago and Budhha appeared. So there’s a whole universal time table or schedule this happens this time, that happens this time. So, knowing history and the past, he could also say future.

So this is one aspect of astrology also and then basically as you sow so shall you reap, that is always the law of karma, so by knowing you did this, you did that, you did this in the past, you eat too much, there could be diarrhoea or indigestion, action and reaction, cause and effect. So they are related, cause and effect, this cause then this would be the outcome effect of this. So by knowing your past and action reaction, by knowing action, you could talk of reactions. Shastras also say “mamsa” means mam and sa there are two parties myself and yourself, if you kill me today, I’ll kill you tomorrow, this is the law of karma.

So, one lady with her daughter were sitting while I was flying from Moscow to Delhi and mataji elderly, so when it was time for dinner during the flight, airhost was going around and he asked swamiji, swamiji, what will you have? fish or chicken? you have a choice fish or chicken. Atleast in India, they would ask swamiji veg or non-veg but there was no choice, fish or chicken. So, ofcourse we don’t take any food cooked outside. So I was just sitting chanting and those the lady and the daughter, one had a fish other one enjoyed chicken, I was sitting and chanting swamiji was sitting. So when they enjoyed the meal and their belly was full with fish and chicken, the elderly lady wanted to take advantage and she extended her hand, swamiji bhavishya jante ho? (laughter) So, I was not very happy with them because shamelessly they ate fish and chicken just next to me sitting there and so I did not respond, I kept chanting but I was then thinking if she asks me again, I wanted to keep my answer ready and so that did not happen but my answer was you ate fish so in future you’ll become fish (laughter), the daughter had chicken, she would become chicken in next life.

So, I am not a big astrologer but this is if you eat me today, I’ll eat you tomorrow, by that law of karma cause an effect. Also, the future could be predicted but if you are chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare and also clapping and if you approach some astrologer, he would not be able to do the calculation, they are going to go wrong because what was otherwise going to be your future, that is not going to be your future anymore because what happened? because you chanted Hare Krishna. All those future reactions and births that is natural, this action that reaction, in this life or the next but its not going to leave you alone.

As you sow so shall you reap, again the Bible says. Jaise bovoge waise paoge, so all the astrologies are kind of based on this principle. So now in the past, you could talk of the future but we the Krishna Conscious person, he changes his future Krishna says, ‘mam ekam saranam vraja’ (Bg 18.66) You take shelter of me and then He says, ‘aham tvam sarva papebhyo moksayisyami’, I will make you free from all the reactions which are waiting in the corner, tomorrow is the turn of some actions in the past will have its turn, its the reaction and then something that you did in the distant past day after tomorrow is that reaction and next week is that reaction, next year is that reaction, so all that future reactions which are in a waiting list action reaction this all Krishna says I’ll take care “aham tvam sarva papebhyo moksayisyami” I’ll take care I’ll neutralise and get rid of all those reactions and then only it is possible then prediction of such devotee its again astrology, ‘punar janma na vidyate’ (Bg. 8.16) he doesn’t take birth again and then he goes to Krishna, Krishna lok, goes back to home, back to Godhead. So there’s no reason for him, ok I think this is some kind of answer to your question. Should we stop here?